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Welcome back to The UN/maker interview series that features creatives who consciously take up methods of un/making as part of their practice to help disrupt anthropogenic, perspectives and gestures towards land. For those of you who were not able to attend the online talk with Dr. Michelle Wilson, her recorded interview is now available on Youtube. This week I had the opportunity to speak with Rachel Epp Buller for what I would consider to be inspirational work around speculative letter writing.

Image description: White woman with long wavy strawberry blonde hair pictured looking downward while sitting on a chair stitching embroider into a white cloth stretched over a embroidery hoop.  Wearing a black sweater and a paisley scarf, the woman is pulling a green thread into the air after making a stitch. She sits in front of other embroidered texts that hang on the wall behind her.
Rachel Epp Buller, Taking Care, performance of listening in words and embroidery. In/Visible Care exhibition at Outlook Gallery, Minnesota Center for Book Arts, 2022. Photo credit: Anne Labovitz

As a brief introduction, Rachel Epp Buller is a visual artist, feminist, art historian, professor and mother of three who holds a PhD in art history and an MFA in creative practice. . Her current writing and artistic research explores slow practices, such as walking and stitching, with a particular focus on letter-writing as an act of relational care and a radical intervention into practices of academic scholarship. Also regularly reviewing books and exhibitions for Woman’s Art Journal, Hyperallergic, and other journals, Rachel is a board member of the National Women’s Caucus for Art, a certified practitioner in Deep Listening, a Professor of Visual Arts and Design at Bethel College (KS/US), and exhibits and speaks about her work internationally. To read more about her practice and all of her acheivements, visit Rachel's website.


Jill: Rachel, thank you so much for taking time out from your busy and impressive schedule for this interview! In your brief bio above, letter-writing is referred to as an act of relational care and a radical intervention into practices of academic scholarship. I was wondering if you could start off by providing us a little bit of a context on how you arrived at letter writing as a practice and how you see it as a method to help unmake or disrupt industrial capitalism, technological colonialism, or other aspects of our highly accelerated and increasingly virtual worlds?


Rachel: I am a lifelong letter writer, and I come from a long line of letter writers, so this material form has always been part of my way of being in the world. There are so many elements that draw me to the epistolary form: the physical gesture, the material remnants, the slow time of exchange, and the opportunity to revisit relationships and conversations. It was not until I returned to graduate school to pursue an MFA in Creative Practice that I began to see the form’s possibilities for artistic and academic exchange. One of the most powerful possibilities I see in the letter form is an invitation to enter into a listening relationship. Letters can be a reaching out, a request to be listened to with the implicit understanding that the sender will listen to the receiver in exchange, if and when the receiver should respond. But it is a patient form. A letter sent through the post resists the technological immediacy and concomitant demands implied by, emails, texts, or instant messages.


Within academic scholarship, I’ve experimented with the letter as a mode of changing the manner of discourse between thinkers. Not to say that letters haven’t existed in academia. There is, in fact, a long tradition of public letters where one scholar might publish an open letter to another scholar, taking issue with an idea or interpretation, and using a widely-read journal to make one’s case and/or air one’s grievances. But in that mode, the letter becomes a vehicle for contention rather than for actual discussion. Public letters, I wager, are not often written with the intention of reciprocal listening.


In my own research, I’ve turned to the letter to facilitate dialogue with other artists and scholars - testing out new ideas or searching out nuances in established ones. My MFA thesis of 2018 was written entirely in letters, and in lieu of footnotes, I handwrote personal letters of citation to each artist, scholar or their heirs, whose work I cited within the thesis.(i) In 2019, I published an essay with Lena Simic and Emily Underwood-Lee based on an 18-month round-robin transatlantic correspondence, in which we thought through ideas together across extended time and space.(ii) The relational mode extends, I think, to the reader as well when letters are published as academic writing: letters in this form might well tackle weighty issues, but the personal address invites readers to enter into the discussion both because of its contrast to the closed nature of much academic prose, and also allows readers to imagine themselves as the letter’s recipients.

Photograph of multiple sheets of multi-coloured marble paper used for letter writing.
Rachel Epp Buller, marbled papers used in Pandemic Epistles, 2020-21

As an artistic medium, the epistolary form can privilege relational exchange in ways that resist expectations of capitalist productivity. Some of my work that involves letters circumvents the commodification tendency by embracing the nature of the form itself. During 2020-21, I embarked on a project titled Pandemic Epistles, a practice of daily listening and connection through letters. Every day for a year, from March 2020 to March 2021, I wrote letters on papers that I had marbled in the backyard, walked to the post box, and mailed off these invitations to listen. And

while I received many letters in return, and have maintained several regular correspondences from that project, the original gestures of text on marbled paper were all dispersed. The point was never to commodify, but rather to initiate and maintain relational connections in a time of pandemic isolation and disorientation.


Jill: Whoa. That's a lot of letter writing. Thank you for such an in-depth explanation! I wonder, did your PhD in art history inform or help you to unmake yourself from materials and modes of representation and presentation associated with European traditions of fine art, or were you always drawn to smaller, slower and more ephemeral modes of creative expression?


Rachel: That’s a great question, because it was actually just the opposite. My education has been wide-ranging. As an undergraduate, I fully embraced the liberal arts mindset and studied many things, earning degrees in History, Studio Art, and German. Immediately following that, I went on for an MA and then PhD in Art History, a program of study that I imagined would combine my multiple interests. And it did, to an extent, but it was also a narrowing, as any graduate study is, with professors making clear to me early on that “making” of any kind would be irrelevant to my training as a serious art historian. So I gave up on the studio art side of my life for years and fully committed myself to academic writing and research. Once I finished school, I returned to making, but it always felt “on the side” and disconnected from my “real” work. It was not until a decade later when I returned to graduate school to pursue an MFA, that I learned to unmake those imposed disciplinary boundaries and instead find ways to trouble them by working through and across them.


Jill: Right! I forgot how many other disciplines limit our scope and approach to learning. That being said, In 2021, you offered an amazing workshop entitled Listening Across Time through Epistolary Praxis in partnership with CoLab: Research-creation + Social Justice Collaboratory out of Alberta. For me that workshop really opened up how I could go about communicating research. Can you briefly outline the three different speculative writing exercises you facilitated for the group and what these exercises were designed to potentially unmake for those participating?


Rachel: Sure—that workshop brought together such a wonderful, generative group of creatives and I have to thank Natalie Loveless for inviting me to lead those sessions. Over the course of a week, with two long virtual sessions at the beginning and end, and some days in between to work, think, and offer peer feedback, we explored together how the letter as a mode of address might allow us to communicate in different ways across temporal divides. In the first exercise, I asked participants to write a letter to the past—to an ancestor, for example, or to their own former self, or a letter in the voice of someone from the past. Next, I asked them to create a letter as a form of listening in the present, first to answer the question, “Who or what needs your listening attention?,” and also to determine something about the recipient as well as the creative form. Finally, we discussed ways of thinking toward and engaging with possible futures, and the task was to write or create a letter that urgently needs to be sent, again considering which possible recipients most require our listening attention. For each exercise, I encouraged participants to consider what form their letter would take: Written words on a page? A performance, read aloud? Words written in sand or snow? Words going up in smoke after reading? As you probably remember Jill, we witnessed a wealth of creative interpretations. As I think back on them, many of them unmade the letter form itself, reconsidering what a “letter” can be, as well as rethinking who or what might be open to receiving a letter, and to what end.

A picture of purple handmade paper carefully hand stitched with the word fondly in cursive  script with yellow embroidery thread
Rachel Epp Buller, Fondly, from Valedictions series, 2019. Embroidery on handmade paper.

Jill: Yes people were much more creative than I could have imagined and really expanded my understanding of letter writing and its physical and deliverable forms. Has your research into the praxis of letter writing revealed other things that get unmade or disrupted by people choosing to slow down and write letters to living or in some cases, nonliving things.


Rachel: One of the pieces that came out of the workshop, Christa Donner’s Dear Human, is a great example of this. She conjures a series of letters, writing speculatively from the perspective of multispecies inhabitants of the West Ridge Nature Preserve in Chicago: deer, pond, tree, and tick address the humans who enter their space. These are layered letters: Donner records each letter as an audio file, which are then accessed via QR code by visitors who come to walk at the nature preserve. They walk, they listen, they become more attuned to their ecological kin in that place. She transforms the letter into an auditory experience, disrupts our assumptions of who can speak / write, and creates an experience that facilitates slowness, walking, and listening. I have to read in this work an implied goal of greater ecological awareness and activism, for if we get out of our cars and walk, and we listen closely to what our multispecies kin have to tell us, then surely we humans will be moved on some level to change our destructive ways of being.


Jill: Yes, I agree! I think what many might not understand is how important scientific, historical or observational research is when writing from another perspective. Can you talk a little bit about research-creation as a method of unmaking and how this can impact writing.

An installation of several pieces of paper hanging from the ceiling  with symbols and text on them and an arrangement of black book works in the background.
Rachel Epp Buller, Keep still. wait. this is the moment of no turning back, 2021. From After the End of the End of the World, a collaborative exhibition with Derek Owens based on a year-long correspondence and exchange of words.

Rachel: I think research-creation is what I was seeking for years, without even realizing it. As Natalie Loveless describes it in her book, How to Make Art at the End of the World, research-creation is a methodology that moves “beyond primary accountability to a specific discipline while still keeping the door open to discipline-specific knowledge. Simply put, it place[s] the curiosity-driven question first” (2019, p 25) This of course appeals to me because of my own multimodal research practice, in the way that it unmakes strict disciplinary divisions and expectations. Even further, though, I find that the critical issues that most concern me, like slowness and listening, are already explored widely across disciplines, with single affinity to none, so it makes most sense to begin with “the curiosity-driven question” and then determine the best form(s) for tackling the research. In my own writing, this has taken shape as I have sought to determine the best voices and genres for given areas of my research. As I mentioned, I have incorporated the letter form in a variety of my publications. Letters most often involve exchange, so some of this writing unmakes the academic privileging (at least in the humanities) of single-authorship. In an epistolary piece I co-wrote with Derek Owens, we removed any identification of whose words were whose, instead prioritizing the idea of a back-and-forth through letters.(iii)


Jill: I find that interesting that the two of you chose to relinquish your individual authorship, or one might say ego, to ensure that the art of exchange and listening came to the forefront. Is there anything else you have had to unmake about yourself through research, interacting with others, or the creative process of letter writing?


Rachel: Expectations of self is a big one. I find value in duration, repetition, sustaining in different ways for the long haul and waiting in periods of quiet anticipation. Letters of course echo many of these points. The more I embrace the practice of writing letters, the more I am able to unmake expectations and uncover the generative aspects of duration and delay, waiting and anticipation. Additionally, as my bio indicates, I wear a variety of professional hats and have wide-ranging interests on top of being a committed caregiver. I think many women of my generation were raised with the idea of “doing it all,” after second-wave feminists worked so hard to open doors for us. But what I’ve come to accept for myself over time is that I might be “doing it all,” but I likely won’t be doing it all at the same time. There are seasons and cycles when some areas take priority over others, or some demands are louder and more insistent than others. Then there are those moments when my own interests shift and I make choices about which kinds of research to privilege.

A drawing of two hands thread in an embroidery needle created from words
Rachel Epp Buller, Letters to the Future #2, 2018 Ink/word drawing.

Jill: If you think about the commercial art world and how it upholds stereotypes and expectations of what it means to be a successful artist, what else have you had to unmake, relinquish, resist, refuse or refrain from in order to work the way you do?

Rachel Epp Buller, Taking Care, a participatory project of listening in words and thread. Installation view, Borough Road Gallery, London, 2019.

Rachel: Probably my biggest resistance has been to the production mentality of the commercial art world. I think I used to feel insecure that I wasn’t making more “stuff.” I’m a very slow maker in comparison to my highly productive artist friends who constantly make new work for exhibitions and festival or art fair circuits. I do love to make objects, certainly, and I relish processes like printmaking, book arts, and embroidery, but so much of my work is conceptually driven. There may be objects attached to the some of the ideas, which might be sold, but so often my primary interest is relational exchange within the creative process. I continue to unmake my own learned expectations of who an artist is and what an artist does as I deepen into creating the kind of work that feels urgent to me and I hope speaks to others as well.


Jill: I think you told me that you are now in the early stages of writing a book on listening as artistic practice, and it incorporates letters as well as instructional scores, alongside and within critical discussions. Could you share a little about the walking or listening methods you speak of and how you see either of these helping to unmake anthropogenic perspectives or gestures towards land?


Rachel: Much of my current research investigates how listening might be enacted and/or facilitated by specific artistic gestures. As a certified practitioner in Deep Listening, I follow Pauline Oliveros proposition that we might listen in ways that involve more than just our ears as listening is a whole-body experience. My artistic inquiries propose modes of listening through hands and feet, letter-writing and walking, stitching and drawing. In Winter/Spring 2022, when I had the good fortune to be a Fulbright Canada Research Chair in Arts and Humanities at the University of Alberta, I carried out a daily practice of walking as a way to listen in a new-to-me place and with the land and its inhabitants. I set myself a score for Winter Walking (2022):

On many of my daily walks, I walked by myself in the North Saskatchewan River Valley. Occasionally I passed other humans on my walks, but more often I found myself attuning to the creaking trees, calling magpies, howling coyotes, dripping snowmelt, where my footsteps in crunching snow were but one of many elements in the sonic landscape. I learned through walks with Indigenous education professor Dwayne Donald and studied his writing on walking in the land as a reparative gesture that helps us recognize and strengthen relations with our ecological kin. Donald writes, “By walking and listening, people begin to perceive the life around themselves differently. They feel enmeshed in relationships.”(iv)


Through a practice of daily walking, I experienced a move from generality to specificity. The idea of “tree” transformed into individual, distinctive trees, whose personalities I came to recognize and notice as they changed with the weather. I perceived the life around me differently. While on my walks I watched dozens of snowshoe hares hopping around my neighborhood. Then, once home, I was able to watch the hare who nested for weeks in the snowbank outside my window, watching me as I watched him. Walking and/as listening has become for me a vehicle for paying attention in daily, specific ways to the lands that I inhabit, and in continually trying to recognize myself as one inhabitant among many, seen and unseen.


Jill: Your practice seems to point to how nature is the earliest form of an audio book! Speaking of audio books, are there any other books, essays, blogs, or podcasts you would recommend to help unsettle the visual arts and promote more ethical practices of care?

Rachel Epp Buller, “A Score for Seasonal Listening,” 2022. Day 92 in A Year of Deep Listening, Center for Deep Listening

Rachel: I am always seeking out transdisciplinary projects that speak to my central concerns. Recently, some of my favorite books have been Jenny Odell’s How to Do Nothing, a book that beautifully calls for shifting our attentions and intentions; the collectively written Care Manifesto that lays out our interdependence and what survival demands of caring relations; Octavia Butler’s Earthseed trilogy, which helps us imagine future caring relations; Simon Garfield’s To the Letter, a social history of the epistolary form; Richard Power’s novel The Overstory that outlines the histories and sentient relations between, and facilitated by trees; and Maggie Berg and Barbara K. Seeber’s The Slow Professor. This book provides prompts for how to change our ways of being in higher education. I also really appreciate The Year of Deep Listening initiated by Stephanie Loveless at the Center for Deep Listening, in honor of Pauline Oliveros’ 90th birthday. I feel grateful that one of my listening scores was featured as part of this project on day 92.


Jill: Where are you witnessing other positive examples of unmaking happening within your extended community?


Rachel: Megan Arney Johnston’s concept of Slow Curating, a phrase she coined in 2016, privileges the relational possibilities of curating and seeks to unmake the notion of expertise. Certainly, art historians and museum curators generally have trained expertise in their fields, but Johnston’s curatorial experiments show how other forms of expertise, from lived experience to community collaboration, might equally be positions from which to curate and engage broader publics.


Many of the artistic projects I find engaging prioritize participatory engagements that shift our attentions or work to disrupt cultural expectations. I’ll offer just two here. In 2020, US/Berlin artist Christine Sun Kim created Dear Essential Workers, a Times Square digital billboard installation visualizing sound and creating a kind of connective, public listening in a time of isolation. Drawing connections between musical notation and the gestures of American Sign Language that are equivalent to “sound” in deaf culture, Kim orchestrated community listening through a shared participatory sound engagement. One other example I’m thinking about is Tricia Hersey’s The Nap Ministry. In a public and private performance practice, Hersey advocates for regular pauses—naps—as a necessary antidote to centuries of racial trauma that actively resists the work-based values of capitalism and white supremacy. Through collective napping events, as well as her own personal commitment to daily rest, her Nap Ministry promotes rest as a form of relational community care learned by listening across time with her ancestors.


Jill: I love napping as it helps me process information, but like everything else, it is always at risk of being quantified and commodified in order to ensure productivity and profits. Ugh. Okay, last question, and thanks again for your time and generousity while responding to these questions. If more artists are to relinquish commodity driven approaches to art making and take up gestures of care and repair, what else needs to be urgently unmade in the world, or more specifically the art world, today?


Rachel: Already more than 30 years ago, Tronto and Fisher noted that we desperately need to “take care”of and “repair” our world if we hope to “live in it as well as possible” (1990), and I see how this applies not just to crises on a global scale but also more specifically in relation to art. We’ve known for a long time that “the art world,” as it currently stands, is an unsustainable financial model. Art cannot be an endless financial growth engine, and tying art to capitalism in that way effectively undermines any social power it might have. Artists have a vital role to play in changing our human and more-than-human relations—by working locally and collaboratively to model gestures and facilitate experiences that sound warnings, open up new ways of seeing and thinking, provide entry points into difficult issues, and begin to shift mindsets.

Rachel Epp Buller leading a workshop in which several people are using their hands to manipulate string.
Rachel Epp Buller, Patterns in our Hands workshop, 2018. Flutgraben artist space, Berlin

 

i Rachel Epp Buller, “Dear Friend: A Thesis in/of Letters.” Master’s thesis. Plymouth, UK: University of Plymouth, Transart Institute, 2018.

ii Rachel Epp Buller, Lena Simic, and Emily Underwood-Lee, “The Body in Letters: Once Again, Through Time and Space.” In Buller and Reeve (eds.), Inappropriate Bodies: Maternity, Art, and Design. (Demeter Press, 2019): pp. 331-344.

iii Rachel Epp Buller and Derek Owens, “’our hopes lie in a time of alliances’: epistolary praxis and transdisciplinary composing.” Something Other journal, special issue On Correspondence. (December 2018).

iv Dwayne Donald, “We Need a New Story: Walking and the wahkohtowin Imagination,” Journal of the Canadian Association for Curriculum Studies, vol. 18, no.2 (2021): 61.






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For those of you who haven't seen the advertisement of the online interview series I am conducting, I invite you to come out on Thursday night from 7 - 8:30 pm to hear my chat with the wonderfully talented and thoughtful interdisciplinary artist Michelle Wilson. Recently awarded her PhD from Western University, Wilson's research has been helping to redress Canada's colonial history of the buffalo and is now working with the Coves Collective to help remediate soil in London, Ontario. To register you can visit the Eventbrite link or follow the zoom link featured below at 7 pm this Thursday at 7 pm. https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/jill-prices-unmaker-series-with-michelle-wilson-tickets-462169359997



If you haven't been to check out my exhibition at Georgian College, UN/making the Frame is a large scale installation constructed from the lines found within one still life painting. Resisting the pressure and desire to create more drawings, paintings or sculptures for the exhibit, the entire space was constructed from only using reconfigured art works in my existing archive, ready-mades and black tape.


Beyond trying to be more ecologically friendly, something I was thinking about when conceptualizing the exhibit was how nothing is 2D or flat, as all objects, whether they be paintings, a table cloth or masking tape, only ever represent 5% of the total amount of material that goes into the making of something. By extending the picture plane of the still-life entitled Landscape on Table, which you can see in the back left hand side of this image, I was hoping to draw attention to how everything, including humans, are part of a much larger four dimensional ecology of physical and psychic material. When I say psychic material, what I am alluding to is how materials, things, images, colours, textures, spaces, and places have affect on those who encounter them. So despite the installation reflecting an environmental concern, which one might expect to be dark and depressing, I intentionally set out to design a space that emanates a lightheartedness and joy, while also illustrating how the old can become the new.

The unmaking of the picture plane of the painting also evolved into other approaches to unmaking the frame:

  • house hold items were integrated to blur the lines between a gallery space and home,

  • old frames were cut up to make a ladder,

  • surfaces were mirrored to help create multidimensional reflections,

  • old stretchers were deconstructed to signify a forest,

  • canvases were cut from their stretchers and reconfigured into sculptures,

  • the installation was extended beyond the confines of the gallery,

  • objects were positioned in an abstract way to un/make our normal frames of reference when it comes to a thing's function or placement within a space, and

  • flowers, a record player, salted licorice, exercise balls and push carts were placed in the installation to un/make the sterility of the white cube and stimulate senses often denied or discouraged within a gallery space.

Simultaneously familiar and unsettling, there are also juxtapositions within the space that point to connections between iconography and materials on display with a ceramic sheep placed beside one of my wool entanglements and a ceramic rabbit by Frith Bail situated so it is confronting a fur rug on the wall.


On clear display, is also the wonderful book by Seetal Solanki that outlines a number of creatives who are inventing new materials and using new methods that help to address the huge amount of waste in the world. If you are in the space, feel free to pick up the book and look at all of the innovation happening in the areas of design and craft which we can begin to incorporate as artists.


Also trying to un/make the idea that art is only an object that can be consumed, when in the gallery, visitors can view a series of stop motion videos that share the process of the installation. For me this is where the art lies. Then, and when the audience shifts from observers to doers. By drawing attention to the multiple stages of the installation and the methods of unmaking that were undertook to arrive at certain aspects of the show, I also draw attention to labour as a material that matters, somethings artists are drastically underpaid for despite what they bring to a community. To be honest, about eight days in, there was a part of me that wanted to retreat to my studio to paint over old works on canvas and questioned why I was working so hard for something so short lived.

For the most part happy with the installation, from a critical eco-ethical perspective there are a few things I would change upon redesigning the exhibit. By providing marker outlined suits for visitors my hope is that visitors would feel a part of the drawing and take up a variety of different prompts around the room that encourage play, self care as well as care of the space. Where this falls down is where I have encouraged people to eat bananas and and zest lemons, two fruit products that have to travel from way outside local food economies. There are also four different objects plugged in to help animate the space and keep my plants alive. We often don't think of our energy use in galleries, but just the lighting alone, left on all day regardless of visitors or not, is something to consider. I was also told that the tape I had bought for the install was contentious in that the owners of Uline are big TRUMP supporters. I haven't researched this for myself as of yet, but it provides one more example of how we need to unmake the distance between ourselves and what we are buying to become more ethical consumers and producers. If you visit the space, you will also be able to discern the number of car trips I would have needed to make to the gallery to complete the install. Working for 10 solid days, each day I would bring a new car load of "stuff" to the space as well as made many trips to thrift shops and people's homes to pick up my Facebook Marketplace purchase. As all things come to an end, there will also be all those car rides home from the gallery. I hope you will have an opportunity to visit and engage with the space before that day comes.


To read or learn more about the exhibition from outside of the region, check out the AKIMBO listing or listen in on the live artist talk on Tuesday, November 22 starting at 10 am. Link to follow.

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Welcome to a series of blogs and recordings based on other artists who consciously take up methods of un/making as part of their practice. Personally inspired by each one of them for different reasons, I hope you will enjoy reading these interviews as much as I did learning more about how these artists are choosing to work in today's social and ecological climate.


The first artist you will have a chance to read about is Twyla Exner who I had the privilege to meet and converse with during a curatorial project entitled RE-crafted. Unfortunately cancelled during COVID, I wanted to reach out to Twyla for the UN/makers Series as she was making clever use of the technological devices that become obsolete daily.

As a brief introduction, Twyla is a Canadian artist who currently resides as a visitor on the Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc territory, situated within the unceded ancestral lands of the Secwépemc Nation. Inspired by the wonders of nature and electronic equipment gone awry, Exner, both fascinated and repelled by technology and its increasingly invasive role in our daily lives, uses the materials and imagery of discarded electronics to arrive at wondrous and worrisome installations, sculptures and drawings that propose hybrids of technological structures and living organisms. If you would like to read more about Twyla's formal training, you can scroll down to the bottom of the interview or visit her website.


Twyla Exner (Photo provided by artist)

Image description: Young white woman with big brown eyes wearing reddish orange lipstick that matches two intricately woven wire sculptures which she is wearing on her shoulder and head. Twyla is also holding a very organic looking sculpture in purples and oranges made of reclaimed wire.


Jill: Twyla, thank you for taking time out from your busy schedule for this interview! I was wondering if you could start off by providing us a little bit of a context on what were some key factors that pivoted your practice towards working with electronic waste? So ultimately, when, why and how did you begin to unmake yourself from more traditional fine art materials and modes of representation?


Twyla: I grew up with Grandparents who lived through the Great Depression and the mentality that all objects can potentially be precious materials was a value that was communicated to me from an early age. I loved rummaging through my Grandmother’s drawers that were filled with bread tags, elastics, bottle caps, and other treasures – all

neatly organized in tattered candy boxes. Bits and pieces saved over time were the raw materials of many of my childhood creations. When I went to university to study visual art, I enjoyed learning to make molds, throw pots, weld armatures, work with wood, apply paint, and much more, but the most inspiring part of my learning experience was

watching one of my professors, Sean Whalley, collect wood construction waste and transform it into large-scale, abstracted, tree-like architectural forms. There seems to be a certain kind of magic in working with unwanted things and making them valuable through the investment of care and labour. I’m not sure that I had to unmake myself from

traditional materials, so much as I had a predisposition toward working in this way. I started working with electronic waste in the third year of my Bachelor’s degree.


Previously, I had been working with willow branches to weave nests and similar forms but the material quickly became limiting to my aspirations. I sought a material that connected more with “urban” than “nature” and that is how I began to experiment with discarded telecommunications cables, which were being removed from buildings at the time as society shifted to mobile phones. I very quickly grew to adore these cables which consist of colourful plastic coated copper wires. As a material, they are incredibly versatile, hold within them an entire history of connection and communication, and perhaps best of all, I have been able to access them for free (generously donated from telecommunication companies). Using the cables as a jumping point (pun intended), I meandered down a research path where I explored the history of communication and electrical networks, electronic waste cycles, electrical system development, ancient batteries, and much more, which eventually led me towards other forms of electronic waste. Once I began to collect old things, more waste quickly came my way. Friends, family, and strangers are always delighted for me to take their sentimental yet “useless” possessions and make them into art.

Images Top to Bottom: Morph, Monument, Cling, Invasion (Images from artist's website)


Jill: If as artists we choose to recognize how the visual arts contribute to and / or perpetuate capitalist, industrial, patriarchal, and colonial perspectives, and gestures towards land, how do you see your praxis in relation to the concept of unmaking or undoing these different phenomena and their contribution to the Anthropocene?


Twyla: I find simultaneous delight and horror in imagining “what if?” within my work: What if electronics could evolve on their own? What happens when hybridized electronics and living organisms go awry? What circumstances would allow for barnacle growth on home satellite dishes? What if computer circuits were sentient? These questions draw attention to the Anthropocene by empowering human creations to join us in changing the environment. Instead of presenting these ideas in a doom and gloom format, my work is cute, playful, and candy-coloured. In a sense, its content is

“packaged” in a friendly way while also delivering a warning for possible futures.

Twyla Exner, Things 2 & 3 (Friends), 2: 14”x15”x14” / 12”x8”x9” Woven Telecommunications Cables Collection of Saskatchewan Arts Board ( Image from artist's website )

Image Description: Two very organic looking wire sculptures connecting across to plinths, where one's orange protruding extremities inserts into the others purple, green and blue outstretched receptacles.


Additionally, I don’t believe that I divert enough waste or that my work has enough of an impact to undo or unmake any of the incredibly complicated systems that contribute to the Anthropocene. I used to believe that art could change people’s minds and have an impact on our collective future. I still hope it does, but I also recognize that the systems we are up against are so much more difficult to change than people’s minds. Investing time, care, and attention into expendable materials feels aligned and meaningful for me. For my small part and short time on this beautiful planet, I hope to contribute a collection of artworks that connect with people through material, process, or imagery, and spark imagination and narratives around some of the challenging questions and concerns of our shared time.


Jill: Perhaps a follow up question, much of British Columbia is an extremely charged geography due to it being located on the unceded traditional territories of many first nations. As we have become more informed and sensitive to these truths, have you needed to further redress or unmake how you approach your projects?


Twyla: I am grateful to live as an uninvited guest in what we now call Canada. I grew up on Treaty 4 lands,  situated on the territories of the Nêhiyawak, Anihšināpēk, Dakota, Lakota, and Nakoda, and the homeland of the Métis / Michif Nation. More recently, I lived on the unceded ancestral territory of the Lheidli T’enneh for five years prior to relocating to Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc territory, situated within the unceded ancestral lands of the Secwépemc Nation. Only very recently I began to explore how I might use inspirations from my local environment in my work…but then I moved from Prince George to Kamloops and what is my local environment has now changed. At this time in my practice, I don’t have an answer to how my artwork relates to or is informed by the unceded territory in which I reside. I am trying to unpack my own associations and feelings toward land and I’m not yet sure how that all fits within my art practice.


Jill: If you think about how many artists or even the stereotype of an artist maneuvers through the world, what else have you had to unmake, relinquish, resist, refuse or refrain from to work the way you do?


Twyla: There are a couple significant challenges in working with the materials and at the scale of some of my projects: storage is a challenge and the preparation of materials and hand-made processes for art-making are extremely time-consuming. The question of studio and storage has meant that I’ve spent the last decade living in smaller communities which are (often) more affordable places. Because my work is so labour intensive, it is difficult to sell if I want to be

compensated, even marginally, for my efforts. I am more interested in creating artworks to share in public spaces than in individual homes, so I have focused mainly on pursuing exhibitions in public galleries and sharing my works on through other public channels. Although this way of working is in alignment with my values and ideals, as time marches on and I continue to make new things, I am having to confront having to manage so much stuff (artworks). In these moments, I wish I could just sell it all so I wouldn’t have to store it any longer! But, this can also be seen as a new opportunity and (when I have a moment) I am hoping to revisit some older works and remake them into “new” works.


Jill: You speak about having a personal love hate relationship with technology. Are there any technologies you have purposely chosen to resist, disrupt or remove yourself from so as to unmake yourself from its seduction, corruption, manipulation…


Twyla: I try to resist purchasing new electronics as long as possible, but, my second-hand iPhone 7 is barely hanging in there and the laptop I bought in 2013 struggles to render anything in digital imaging software. I will delay as long as possible, but I am not beyond the seduction or manipulation of any electronic media or new technological gadgets.

I’ve been building skills in 3D modelling and printing over the past couple of years. Just this week I scanned a plasticine model that I made and 3D printed it at Thompson Rivers University’s new MakerSpace and I am way more excited about this than I should be. Because I grew up in the 1990s during this culture of promise for the digital era…it feels like magic that it has all come true and I am consistently amazed at our technological accomplishments. But it has

come with huge costs, and the mixture of technological impetus and late-stage capitalism has proven to be a recipe for environmental and social strain. Technology isn’t inherently bad but the system we’ve developed around it is certainly problematic. These things are always on my mind when I collect electronic waste: I think of all of the design and ingenuity that went into its creation and how in a matter of a few years it becomes obsolete, only to be replaced by a newer and flashier model…I feel a sense of empathy for it and through art-making can draw attention to that process.


Jill: I know that you primarily work with wire and its different encasings as your material. Can you give us some examples of the physical or conceptual processes of unmaking that occur during your research or creative production? For example, what stages of unmaking need to happen just to arrive at material that is ready to twist and bend into

something new?


Photos provided by artist

Images Description: Photos of hand holding reclaimed wire and the tool used to strip the plastic coating away from the metal wire inside. The third picture shows five large bins of stripped and unstripped wire that Twyla has sourced and organized for future use.


Twyla: To start with I need to source the wires that I want to work with. A decade ago, it was fairly easy: I would call the local telecommunications company at their industrial site and be passed around a few times on the phone before being connected to someone who would invite me to come and raid their recycling piles. It is far more difficult today because the only phone numbers listed for telecommunication companies do not connect to a local district and only connect to cellular sales or customer support, which is often sourced out of province or out of country. Today I have to ask friends, family and colleagues if they know anyone who works for a telecommunication company and build a relationship in order to access materials.


Another issue I need to consider is that telecommunication cables come as a bundle of colourful plastic-coated copper wires that are inside a grey or black casing. Depending on where the cable was used, for example, inside an office wall or strung between telephone poles outdoors, the casing may also have fibreglass thread, corrugated steel wrap, or a woven aluminum protector. When I first started working with wire, I took any cable and had to contend with the metal casings which held a lot of wires but were extremely difficult to remove. Over the years I have become more selective and choose the smaller bundles of wire inside a thin grey plastic casing which are much easier to unmake. For the grey plastic cables, I cut the cable into a manageable length, approximately three feet or so using shears. I use a utility knife to slice down the casing, then pull the bundle of wires out. I remove a fibreglass thread that is binding the bundle of wires together. Finally, I have to separate the bundle of wire into individual colours. Often, the wires are twisted around one another in sets of two, which requires some further unwinding. It’s not a difficult process, but it is time-consuming. For centuries, human weavers have had to prepare natural materials before making their wares, so I suppose in many ways this is the same. It would be much faster to purchase spools of already separated plastic-coated copper wires…but it wouldn’t hold the same significance and I feel the content of the work would be compromised.


Jill: Is there anything you have unmade about yourself through research or the creative process?


Twyla: I believe it is difficult to exist as an artist. Confronting conceptual inquiry in art is challenging. Justifying life choices to society is challenging. Surviving in society as an artist is challenging. Having your value questioned is challenging. And I say these things as an artist who has been extremely privileged in gaining opportunities and

(recent) stable employment. Most days I ask myself why I make art…and why I want to continue to make art. Many days I wish I wanted to do something else. But, I do not want to do something else. It is sometimes exhausting to unmake and remake things and one’s self…but for me, so far, challenge and growth seem to win over comfort and acceptance.


Jill: Is there any book, essay, blog, or podcast that has been instrumental in informing the way you approach your praxis or that has helped to disrupt anthropocentric perspectives, approaches, and presentations of land.?


Twyla: Early in my art career, ideas that were formative to my approach came from: David Suzuki’s “The Sacred Balance”, David Nye’s “American Technological Sublime”, Charlene Cerny’s “Recycled, Re-Seen: Folk Art from the Global Scrap Heap”. More recently, most of my perspective-changing information comes from my three favourite podcasts: Alie Ward’s “Ologies”, Roman Mar’s “99% Invisible”, and the Smithsonian’s “Sidedoor”. One thing all

these podcasts have in common is storytelling from different perspectives about topics I never expected to be interested in.


Jill: I also read that you have been involved in many collaborative projects. Were there other positive examples of unmaking or undoing happening within your extended art community?


Twyla: I feel that the most important un-doing in community projects is the un-doing of attitudes around or towards art and what art can be. I’ve worked with many people who have told me they don’t have artistic “talent” or that they don’t even like art. For reasons that likely have to do with expectations around what art “is”, many folks are more open to working with a bundle of old wires or a circuit board than they are to working with a pencil and paper. I believe they are open because these are materials already seen as “waste” and figure that they can’t make waste worse, so the stakes are low. I often begin by asking for their help in making something, we chat, and we twist wires, and before they even know it, they’ve created a small wire sculpture. To any given prompt, I can imagine one hundred outcomes, but in community-engaged projects, I am always surprised by what people come up with.


Jill: I love that you are breaking down barriers by modelling the process of un/making and re/configuring waste with and for others. Based on these experiences, what else do you feel needs more unmaking in the world, or more specifically, in the art world today?


Twyla: There are soooo... many things that, in my opinion, need to be unmade in the so-called art world. To save you from reading an essay, I will focus on my main pet peeve: accessibility. Accessibility, in all its forms, is a challenge faced by many artists and galleries. Artists and galleries have a lot of work to do to unmake the “general public’s” perception of art: what it is, and who it is for. Stating “This is for you!”, or “Everyone Welcome” into a gallery space only to confront visitors with an inaccessible curatorial statement and artwork that requires a critical theory course to understand will not remove barriers to understanding, nor will it solve the issue of years of exclusion. I am not saying that academically challenging work isn’t important, but I do advocate for a balance. I am also a part of this system and am guilty of writing inaccessible statements, and I am working on unmaking that part of myself as well. As artists, we have to justify our existence and our need for funding for our research, our production, and our arts institutions in perpetuity because we have not done a good or equitable job in connecting with the public and making them feel like they belong. Many artists and galleries are working to make these changes and I look forward to seeing all of the ways that we will do better in the future.


Jill: I am sure I could ask you a thousand more questions, but in nearing the end of this amazing discussion, is there anything else you would like to further unmake yourself from in the future and why?


Twyla: I am always in the process of reflecting upon myself as an academically trained artist educated in a colonial system with a strong bias toward western art perspectives and trained to produce artworks and statements and pursue opportunities that “fit” and exist within a relatively small and inaccessible sphere. It’s difficult and confusing to untangle what is myself from what are the biases of my education and experiences and even more difficult to continue to pursue

opportunities as an artist and an academic within these systems. I don’t have the answers…but I am privileged to be able to continue to ask questions, learn, make and un-make.


Jill: Okay, final question. If you could add one line or word to an unmaking manifesto or unmaking dictionary, what would it be?


Twyla: Re-collect: collect old things, make them new, and celebrate their memories!


Jill: Perfect! Great last words. I can't thank you enough for your thoughtful consideration and time given to this interview.


Twyla Exner holds a BFA from the University of Regina (Regina, SK) and a MFA from Concordia University (Montreal, QC), Twyla has also held artist residencies with Herschel Supply Co. Gastown in Vancouver, BC and the Omineca Arts Center in Prince George, BC and been involved in many collaborative projects with other public institutions. To share her expertise, Twyla has also held teaching positions with Sheridan College, Emily Carr University, College of New Caledonia, Prince George, BC, Grande Prairie Regional College, and Concordia University. The recipient of numerous grants from Canada Council for the Arts, BC Arts Council, Alberta Foundation for the Arts and Saskatchewan Arts, her works have been exhibited in Canada and the USA including at the Appalachian Center for Craft (Tennessee, USA), Dunlop Art Gallery (Regina, SK), Art Mûr (Montreal, QC), and VIVO (Vancouver, BC).  Currently held in numerous public collections including the Royal BC Museum (Victoria, BC), Saskatchewan Arts (Regina, SK) and the Kamloops Art Gallery (Kamloops, BC), Exner’s most recent news is she has been hired on as an Assistant Professor at the Thompson Rivers University in the Department of Communications and Visual Arts in

Kamloops, BC as she also prepares herself for a long line up of exhibitions.


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